PRV Faucet

[Josh_Hamon]

That’s certainly doable but it would need to fulfill the captcha role of keepings the bots at bay.

[zes333]

I don 't see the point!

Proposals

FAUCET

[Jamie]

Good initiative, although, as far as I know, we have the “Account0 receives 0.1 PRV on the first install” in place. If not then this would be a nice replacement.

A challenge of running faucets is to prevent spamming/scamming.
And therefore I don’t think you are stingy at all by providing 0.00000001 PRV per day.
You will probably have a hard time checking the “per user” part.
It takes very little for money to be an incentive to spam/scam. When you raise the amount people will make creating accounts and claiming from the faucet their day job.

[Josh_Hamon]

A big yep to all of your thoughts. A faucet is a challenge and not a silver bullet, but it’s something I can do, as opposed to reducing the size of the database, which is something I can’t.

[Josh_Hamon]

Thanks for your thoughts, I’m not following the purpose of the links you posted to this conversation.

[zes333]

Don’t give me any favors!

@ning

What privacy problem are you solving?

Everyone says privacy belongs to the people, but the ‘privacy experience’ is passive across most projects today. Users have no power to shape the solutions designed for them, are rarely rewarded for their input, and seldom have ownership of the outcome.

What is the solution?

This initiative will incentivize and reward community engagement, involvement, and contribution. It is commonly accepted practice to reward validators for powering the network. We believe this should be applied to all aspects of network growth – in this case, community.

MVP: earn badges for actions, earn rewards

Quick mockup examples:

Which solutions do people resort to because this doesn’t exist yet?

‘Community reward’ mechanisms do exist, most infamously as airdrops. Users perform mundane tasks that increase hype, but these programs are not designed to encourage meaningful contributions (we learned this the hard way). A better parallel is tokenized social media; people are incentivized to create valuable content and be good neighbors, but as there is rarely a shared purpose, collaboration is minimal.

Who are you?

Hi, we are @tuyen and @ning. We’ll be handling the design and implementation of this initiative. We’ve worked a variety of roles in a variety of projects that run the gamut from DeFi to music videos of charismatic cats. We are insufferably cautious about how information is used and abused, so we’re lucky to have made it our day job to illustrate how important privacy is and help create solutions for the similarly cautious.

Why do you care?

For the same reason you do – I don’t want to sit around and wait for someone else to decide if I get to have privacy or not.

What’s your plan? What’s your schedule?

The plan is simple: introduce community rewards. This relates to the website (the home of the privacy conversation). Interaction and engagement are rewarded. Users will earn PRV for contributing helpful topics, meaningful replies, great ideas, and thoughtful criticism.

March 9, 2020

Implement MVP program (badges and rewards)

April 6, 2020

Assess first-month results, refine implementation or try a new program. If the program is successful, we will work on automating it and fleshing it out further.

What’s your budget?

Resource	Cost	Quantity	Cost
Rewards	10,000 PRV	1 month	10,000 PRV
Implementation	1000 PRV	2 months	2000 PRV
TOTAL		12,000 PRV

Any unused funds will be rolled over to the following month. The budget for subsequent months will depend on the results of the first month. This proposal will be updated after the first month.

Is there an existing conversation around this idea?

We have been trialing this over the past week with the Wanted category , and have seen good results and some awesome ideas. More abstractly, the quality of the conversation since testnet has always been something we’re proud of, so it makes sense to reward the people that keep it going.

Is there anything else you would like the community to know?

Can’t design a community program without community input, so… please let me know your thoughts!

@ning

March 2- 9 update

Launching community rewards tomorrow ! Just testing it now.

As a safeguard against the ol’ spam and scam, i’m adding an extra step to the process and will be reviewing reward amounts manually for now (sigh).

Rewards will be paid out weekly. Those who have added their Incognito wallet address to their profile will be getting their first rewards soon! If you haven’t yet, follow the instructions here.

Will be posting initial reward amounts later today – these amounts may need adjusting in the future depending on how this works out.

Reward amounts will look like this (check back tomorrow for the full list):

Hopefully there won’t be anyone trying to game the system, but please help flag spammers and scammers if you see anything dodgy!

And yeah, let me know if you see something amiss. Thanks

[aaron]

@Josh_Hamon

I’m @Josh_Hamon, and honestly, I’m not cool enough or smart enough to be here. I’m learning a lot as I go. I’ve done a few websites for non-crypto projects.

Don’t mean to sound sappy, but I honestly believe nearly everyone’s got something to offer, especially when you come at this genuinely trying to solve a problem. Personally, I don’t think a faucet is the right approach, the community engagement rewards solve that. Same with the auto-prv @Jamie mentioned (although I never got mine for some reason, so maybe we should investigate). That said, I’m glad you posted and I want to hear more from you!

P.S. I’ll let the plug slide this time since Luther is my main man.

[andrey]

@zes333 Can you explain what’s the reason of your comment and what are you trying to say ?

[ning]

@Josh_Hamon love the initiative, but we are concerned that someone’s simply gonna run a script and drain the faucet. right now all new wallets get 0.1 PRV anyway - which will cover fees for thousands of transactions (@henry confirmed that there was an issue with this that has now been fixed).

what do you think about changing tack slightly and making this an educational initiative? incognito pub quiz? incognito treasure hunt? piggybacking off what @0x123 said:

@0x123

Maybe we can give them a short intro of Incognito and ask a few simple questions (multiple choices, e.g., what is the name of Incognito native token, which consensus algorithm does Incognito use, …). They only get PRV when they answer correctly.

let me know what you think!

[Josh_Hamon]

Yep, if a faucet is a path forward, then yes the big problem is protecting it from scripts.

I’m glad the new wallet issue has been worked out. Even if it hadn’t been a problem, I feel like people need to feel like getting a little more PRV is super easy, which is why I was thinking a faucet. (I hadn’t realized there were community rewards, even though I had actually earned one.)

I am definitely up for changing tactics and looking at different options. Those educational initiatives feel like they would make more sense hosted here though, not on a separate site?

[ning]

@Josh_Hamon

I am definitely up for changing tactics and looking at different options. Those educational initiatives feel like they would make more sense hosted here though, not on a separate site?

it would be preferable to direct new adopters to the main site - but implementation would depend on what you envision. the ideal program will deter those who couldn’t care less about privacy - and engage and delight those who do. @jamie is right also - you’d have to consider a way to enforce the ‘per user’ rule.

Just to brainstorm a bit - maybe it could be quiz style with rotating questions that get increasingly harder (for higher rewards) - but i’m a sucker for terrible game shows. or have answers that can only be retrieved by speaking to a human … etc. I’m sure you’ll have better ideas!

@annie i remember you were thinking about rolling out something similar but it kinda fell by the wayside - let us know what you think!

[Brandon_Thompson]

Whatever happened to the incognito “monopoly game”, i think it was called whales i remember that from when the app first came out

[Josh_Hamon]

I only recall hearing about it ‘coming soon.’ I don’t recall ever seeing it

[Brandon_Thompson]

yeah that’s the last i heard as well it was in the Dapps icon if i remember right

[andrey]

Hey @Brandon_Thompson great to see that you are with us since Sep - Oct 2019

The game was prioritized down, at least until we finish all integrations with DEFI.

[Brandon_Thompson]

oh sweet so its still in the works at least. i actually kinda liked play the beta version off it. I was wondering is it going to be open where anyone can play any time, with anyone or maybe like a tournament held once a month or so even just at the start? Yeah I’ve been following the project for a while because i think you all have done a great job and definitely involved with the people more then some of the other start-ups that are just trying to just make money for them selfies.

[zin]

any update on this ?

[Chucky]

On the faucet? The faucet has not been working for a while. I dont think there are intentions on bringing it back up

[zin]

yes. That is a shame imo it would be a very good idea to go forward with this project because there are no other ways to require pvr without having pvr

[Chucky]

You can buy PRV on the Pdex with other currencys and pay the fee in said currency, for example trade BTC for PRV and pay fee in PRV.